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Nov
09

Every soccer coach should know the name Elizabeth Lambert…in fact every parent and coach should…watch this video and let me know what you think

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12 Responses to “Every soccer coach should know the name Elizabeth Lambert…in fact every parent and coach should…watch this video and let me know what you think”


  1. November 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

    ABC News Good Morning America carried this story and it has spread.

    If you haven’t seen this video, please click here http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=9032161

    This girl’s actions during the course of a SINGLE game are the worst I’ve seen, male or female.

    How was this allowed to continue?

    BTW, you may want to check out the links for the hockey coach and the girls high school soccer fight as well.

    Looks like ABC is trying to muddle in on my turf!!!

  2. 2 Soccah Star
    November 13, 2009 at 1:01 AM

    This is redicoulous. you are singling her out. just relax you f****g a***ole

    • November 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM

      Soccah

      I obviously had to edit your “comment” because this is a site dedicated to serious parents and coaches. However, I forgot to check your spelling. So first, you should learn how to spell “ridiculous” and second, if you disagree with something, please do so intelligently. A one-sentence rant that requires two expletives simply illustrates a lack of intelligent thought.

      If you care to elaborate on your thoughts, please do so.

      I’m actually dying to hear from any moron who thinks that this girl ought to be defended for her disgraceful actions.

  3. 4 Anonymous
    November 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

    The earlier comment must be from the girl’s mother.
    Are you singling her out? YES! Does she deserve it? YES!
    Singling her out is how you get others to take notice. This was not one quick moment of emotion taking over, which can happen to anyone at anytime. This was ongoing, repeated actions taking place. And it did not look emotional when she was pulling the girl’s hair, it just looked like a way to take her down and get an advantage.

    If there is one benefit to everyone having video cameras, video phones, etc it is that more of this will be caught on film and the perpetrators be made public for everyone to ridicule.
    I am sure she will be reinstated at some point, but my guess is she won’t be pulling ponytails anymore.

    To “Soccah Star”, don’t do the crime if you don’t have the time.

  4. 5 Diane
    November 13, 2009 at 5:19 PM

    This girl has some serious problems – deep rooted psychological stuff! Seriously, she needs to be evaluated. I would be absolutely MORTIFIED if she was my daughter (or friend, or even someone I even remotely knew!). If I was the mother of one of the girls she hit/pulled hair, I would definitely be encouraging my daughter to press charges! Seriously, that is assault! If that happened on the street she would probably be in some legal trouble – why is it ok to do when playing a sport (aside from boxing, that is)???? Crazy stuff – I wouldn’t keep her on my team – makes them all look bad.

  5. 6 diane
    November 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM

    The behavior is inexcusable but hopefully correctable. Ganging up on her is not the answer. Ask yourself how many times during a game you wanted (or did) exercise poor judgment. How about all those drunk fans sitting in seats? Or using foul language with kids nearby? Or a bad call by a ref who loses the game for your team? There are many examples of bad behavior on and off the field that I am not surprised by this but it will be captured more given our individual media. Let’s hope that helps curb these actions.

    • 7 Matt
      November 15, 2009 at 7:19 PM

      Sorry, I’ve played soccer for many years, and had urges to kick or hit people plenty of times, but the difference between Human and Animal is the ability to overcome and control those urges. Miss Lambert was an animal of the first degree. The fact that you have to compare her to drunk fans and bad refs in order to defend her shows the weakness of your position.

  6. November 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

    Wow, I can’t believe the parallels you’re trying to draw. You’re really reaching for straws at best. I believe if you ask any accomplished athlete about how many times during the course of a game they WANTED to do something, they’d probably say “often”. However, if you ask them how many times during the course of a single game they actually kicked, tackled, punched in the back, punched in the face AND yanked someone to the ground by their hair, you’d more than likely here “NEVER”. That’s because, as athletes we set ourselves apart by NOT exercising poor judgment and having some sense of control over our emotions. Piss-poor example.

    Second, if you think that you can expect a drunk in the stands to show the same example as a NCAA Division I athlete, you gotta be kidding so we can’t even count that one as an example.

    Third, a referee who makes a bad call, even one that blows a game, is simply a mistake and anyone can make a mistake. This was a case of a girl who basically lost any and all control of herself causing several incidents over the course of a single game.

    The only thing you got right here is that there are indeed many examples of bad behavior and that they will continue to be captured on video and let’s hope that it does indeed work to curb it a bit. However, there are few, if any, examples like the show this disgrace of an athlete put on.

    She embarrassed herself, her family, her team, her school and countless young athletes around the world.

    I personally feel that ganging up on her and making her an example IS the answer. Anything less than a suspension would have sent an irrevocable message to fans as well as athletes that this type of behavior is even remotely justifiable much less acceptable.

    Now that she has been made an example, let’s go after the coaches who kept her in the game and the officials who had their heads up their asses and that let that crap continue throughout the course of the game.

    How’s THAT to start off your Sunday morning?

  7. 9 Kevin
    November 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

    Making an example out of *just* her was the wrong way to go. There were more than a few other players in every aspect of that video that should’ve been called out. The girl that threw the first elbow? Should’ve been ganged up, that’s wrong. The girl that was grabbing her shorts? Were that on the street, she could’ve very easily been charged with sexual assault (unwelcome touching of areas deemed sexual in nature = sexual assault). There’s more than a few stories floating around about BYU players throughout the game getting way personal with the trash talking, like beyond ‘hey you suck’ and into her personal life. I understand this girl needing to get punished, i really do, but to make everything so incredibly one sided is both unfair to her, and the wrong message to send to everyone else.

    Maybe it’s just the Marine in me that says the only way to defend yourself is by taking one step beyond the people that are attacking you, and i’ll aknowledge that through and through. But at the same token…there wasn’t any sportsmanship on the part of the girls that she attacked. On a related note…watching the videos, Elizabeth didn’t look at the girls after she hit/threw them and talk trash, or even take her eyes off the play. That says loads to me about why she did what she did (if it was malevolent, she would’ve done the typical guy response of making a big deal out of how tough she is).

    I understand you’re not going to agree with this, and some parents will be inclined to think i’m encouraging violence…but i’m really encouraging looking at both sides of this, not just what the media is saying.

  8. November 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM

    Kevin

    How can you compare her actions with any of the actions of the BYU team? I’m sure they were taunting her and by no means angels. The issue here is how violently and how often she reacted to the taunting.

    Athletes in every sport have to deal with adversity and trash talking is a MINOR part of it.

    By the way, I saw the elbow and while it was wrong to do and deserving of punishment, I believe you’re overstating it quite a bit. I would categorize that elbow as a nudge at best. However, Elizabeth retaliated with a forearm shot to the back. Tit for tat? I don’t think so.

    As for the sexual assault? There are far too many fools using this term and I’ve been all over the web explaining this but one more time won’t hurt so here goes.

    In many sports, it is commonplace to hold onto an opponents jersey or shorts in order to avoid real physical contact. Normally, shorts and jerseys aren’t tugged. However in this case, Elizabeth could have simply swatted the girls hand away from her shorts and no one would have said a word. Instead, she decided to drag her opponent to the ground by her hair. Follow me on this for a second. If I have a hold of your shorts and someone yanks my hair hard enough to bring me to the ground, do you think there might a physical, reflex reaction like maybe trying to reach up? Of course you do. This girl was simply having a reflex reaction and so yes her hand went up. Blaming her would be like blaming me if we were standing face to face and me headbutting you went I doubled over from a punch in the gut. This is just not an intelligent argument to make.

    In a lack of objectivity, let me also state that the fact that she never took here eyes off the play simply tell ME that this type of behavior is not that uncommon for her and that she saw nothing wrong with the way she was disgracing herself and her team.

    To summarize, there is noting illegal about poor sportsmanship but physical violence? I believe there are some rules against that and when you get caught, you pay the penalty.

  9. 11 Kevin
    November 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM

    While you’re absolutely correct that people have to deal with trash talking in sports all the time, what I’m talking about is more away from ‘you suck’ and more along the lines of ‘you shouldn’t have been born’. Not that specifically, but that level. And i’m sorry, but at least from my perspective, once you’re talk gets beyond the sport and into the personal realm, reactions become skewed and trying to say ‘maintain civility’ when there obviously is none becomes a moot point. I wasn’t there, so i can’t totally say that it happened, but when this incident first came to light, i was reading a couple interviews stating that other players had heard some pretty horrible stuff being flung around, and a lot more physical bumping than was shown directed and Elizabeth. I don’t remember the links, it was a few weeks ago, and i do apologize for that, but it was accounts i’ve been reading.

    I’m sorry, but the sexual assault thing can not be downplayed anymore than can her reaction to it. Say what you want, but the method of grabbing that was involved was WAY innappropriate. And as i said, were that on a street somewhere, it would be police involvement and you know it. Even before the girl was thrown to the ground, you can see her hand wasn’t just innocently grabbing onto a jersey. In all honesty, if i had been in Elizabeth’s situation, i would’ve done similar.

    What all this boils down to, from what i can tell, is differences in opinion over what reactions are appropriate and not. As i said, i’m a marine, so i tend to be a little more direct, i.e. you talk trash to me, i’m probably going to punch you in the face. if you can’t handle my reaction, don’t say anything. I’ll admit it’s partly my frustration with how our society handles things (if you call me a p****y, and i punch you in the face, you get to call the cops…c’mon), but regardless, i agree with her getting suspended, but not the media/NCAA blasting she’s recieved, nor the lack off attention at the actions of the rest of the field. I can appreciate where you’re coming from with your blog, and trying to impress upon parents and younger athletes that kids need to behave professionally even when playing just for fun…but part of being professional is objectively looking at both sides. And both sides of this are dirty, and very culpable.

  10. November 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM

    I don’t know how else to say it…you’re way off the mark here. I’ve had things said to me during a game that make your comments look like compliments. The way I was taught and the way I teach my kids, is to do your talking on teh field. Nothing can rub it in worse than burying an opponent with a good, old-fashioned, professional butt stomping.

    Athletes at this level (Division I) should all know better and be able to handle this stuff for what it is. Pointless nonsense.

    As for the grabbing. You’re right that if you grab someone like that on the street, it would be very inappropriate. But remember, they weren’t on the street, they were competing on a field. There are lots of things you do on a field of play that would be deemed inappropriate if done to someone on the street. It’s a lousy comparison.

    Anyone who has played a sport at any high level understands the acceptability of certain physical contact. If Elizabeth took offense to where the girl’s hand was, she should have swatted her hand away. Seems logical and most people would understand that but instead she did something that was ABSOLUTELY inappropriate…for the street, the field, or even in some fighting sports.

    Marine or not, you’re really backing the wrong horse here, soldier, and your argument doesn’t hold much water.

    I hope you enjoy the rest of the topics we have listed on the site and I appreciate your involvement.


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