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update on the 10u travel program

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22 Responses to “update on the 10u travel program”


  1. April 23, 2010 at 12:20 PM

    for those of you who keep asking me on email, the program I highlighted on the show last week has not contacted me at all regarding an update. I don’t know if a meeting has been set or which coach is coaching which team nor do I know what kids are now on which team.

    Hope to hav some more information for you all soon and we will also hopefully have an update by the time the show airs tomorrow,

    T

    • 2 John
      April 23, 2010 at 1:30 PM

      Coach Tony,

      There has been no communication from the club administrators since the radio program. It is a concern, since the underlying problem seems to be the lack of communication. I know that some double secret probation type of meeting to discuss this is supposed to happen, but no one knows when….. I know the sarcasm can leave a bad taste, but sometimes it takes a little more to get folks off their butts and get going. It would have been nice for the for club to tell the prospective coaches to go and watch the boys that are trying out play in their games. I’ve always thought that this is the best way to determine who can and can’t hanle themselves. It’s a lot different seeing them play against their peers, than when a coach is pitching and hitting ground balls Not just at the youth levels, but the older teams as well.

      I’ll try to listen, got games to coach.

      • April 23, 2010 at 1:50 PM

        First off, I love a good Animal House reference so you’re starting on the right foot. Secondly, I 100% agree that the best way to assemble a team is to have prospective coaches evaluate prospective players in their in-town programs and in real-life situations. From coaching various sports, I know for a fact that kids react differently in game situations and the kid who shines in practice may not be able to perform in the pressures of a game. An unfortunate reality of youth sports.

        As for the other stuff, I’ll try to get as much information as I can and see if we can get the good people of your community some clarity on the situation.

        Stay tuned and let’s see what happens.

        T

  2. 4 Embarrassed Yorktown Resident
    April 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM

    Tony, There is a very easy way to solve this problem and it should have been addressed at the begininng of the season during tryouts. The solution is bringing in indepentant evaluators to put the teams together. There should be no parent or coach input. If you want coachs input than the potential coaches should see #’s on a spreadsheet and not names that way coaches can’t be accused of picking kids becasue of who they are and not how they play. Coaches should also be picked by and interview process with the independant evaulators. These interviews should include resumes and parent / community recomendations, just like any official is elected.

  3. 5 John
    April 23, 2010 at 10:25 PM

    Dear Embarrassed,

    Part of the problem was the independent evaluators and how it was conducted. If the IE’s were to observe the prospective players participating in their in-house program, along with a tryout run by them then it would probably work. However, this scenario is unrealistic. The IE’s are not going to be able to observe enough of the prospective players in enough games to give each player a fair evaluation. The evaluation was done indoors and the maximum throw any boy had to make was 46′. That occurred only when they were pitching. Every other throw was at most 40′. There were two different evaluation dates with two different sets of evaluators. There was a distinct lack of consistency between the two sets of evaluators. One set of IEs would not score a boy over 7 and the other used 10 as the maximum. You have to have a standard by which to guide you, there wasn’t one. Communication was and still is the problem. I’m as upset as you over what has occurred, and the only way this will be solved amicably is to watch the boys play and then sit down and talk honestly about the travel program and the direction the club wants it to go. The children know better than anyone. I’ve actually tested this theory and asked my teams from time to time to make the line-up and then list who should play what positions for the games. Damn if they weren’t right on the money. Hopefully this gets resolved soon.

  4. 6 aninymous
    April 24, 2010 at 12:57 PM

    Judge Tony, – you gave a well-balanced view of things and offered to help resolve but there has been no communiaction – They are now hurting the kids by delaying this – where do we go from here
    ?

    • April 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM

      my offer still stands to sit in and talk through things with you but no one has formally asked me. When this meeting happens, I’ll be happy to be there.

  5. 8 Only in Yorktown
    April 24, 2010 at 3:27 PM

    I think the U in 10U stands for Uniformed. Any information you receive Tony, and are able to post, is greatly appreciated. It seems I’m getting more information from you and these posts, rather than the people I actually gave my deposit to. Luckily the current in-house games are a nice distraction from the mess this travel program has started off as.

    • April 24, 2010 at 8:43 PM

      Hey, I liked the whole “Let Them Play Court” and “Judge Tony” thing. maybe I’ll make it a regular segment.

  6. 10 It's All About The Kids,Right?
    April 24, 2010 at 7:44 PM

    Coach, As a parent that was present during a different age group evaluation try-outs, people need to know that, not all of the evaluators were able to see each player, at each station. That’s a problem. Potential coaches did not see each child at each station, that’s another problem. The evaluators scores were weighted 2/3, potential coaches scores were weighted 1/3. Children were ranked 1 through 24 (using a convenient number) . Top 8 kids play on the A team, and the A team coach was given 4 discretionary picks. So now what happens is, 4 bottom ranked players are pulled up to the A team, though, according to the evaluators rankings, they should have stayed with the B team. So a number 17,19,21 and 22 kid is playing on the A team, and the number 9,10,11,12 kids are playing on the B team. The travel commissioner, well after the evaluations, mentions that it wasn’t based solely on numbers.There were intangibles involved. Really? That’s not what the parents were told by the head of baseball at each evaluation session. Reading between the lines, if the number 21 kids’ dad is best friends with the A team coach, guess what? If the A team coach has a personal issue with the number 10 kids parent, guess what? Bottom line, if you’re in the clique in Yorktown, that kid, regardless of rank or skill level, plays on the A team. If a parent is not in the clique, that parents’ child suffers. You can have all of parental meetings, bring in professional psychologists, have a congressional meeting,in doesn’t matter. The people in charge of YAC, from the top down, have the best interest of THEIR kids in mind, not yours.

    • April 24, 2010 at 8:13 PM

      welcome to the world of youth sports politics. I wish it were different but there will always be discretions placed in the hands of coaches. I don’t think a coach should be afforded more than 2 of these but that’s just my opinion.

  7. 12 Embarressed Yorktown Resident
    April 25, 2010 at 9:18 PM

    From what I am reading it sounds like my draft idea was somewhat followed for the first 8 players it’s the other 4 players is where the parents have a problem. If we pay the evaulators which I would think are from the same company how can they be rating the kids differently. I hope YAC has asked for their money back. I also wonder if becasue the ratings were not the same is that why they were only given a 1/3 weight. I still would love to know when the team was put together with the coaches involvement were the kids names stripped from the evaulations? I also agree with Tony that the coach given the opppotunity to coach should only get 2 picks. One would obviously be his son and the other could be a kid who maybe they all know to be a good ball player but just didnt have a good tryout.

  8. 13 Embarressed Yorktown Resident
    April 25, 2010 at 9:34 PM

    Wait I take back what I said about the 1/3 weight from the evaluators. They were actually given 2/3 which I think is proper. I still think it comes down to the coach being able to pick 4 players. It should only be 2. All evaulations should be done using the same scale for evaluators as well as coaches. For example, Hitting – each coach and evaluator watches the kid hit they than rank the kid from 1 to 10. You drop the lowest and highest ratings, add the rest up and divide by the number of evaluations. That is the kids rank in hitting. The 10U evaulation I was at each coach and evaluator watched every kid at every station. Also if we are waiting to start the practices iuntil May than why didn’t they just do the tryouts in mid April when the fields are playable and than it could have been done outside with plenty of room.

  9. 14 John
    April 26, 2010 at 9:47 AM

    Embarrassed,

    You must have attended the second day of evaluations. The first day was rushed and they had the boys pitching and hitting at the same time. No chance for anyone to see every boy. They had more teams to evaluate. They were already running behind and had individuals wanting tunnel space. Translates into lost revenue for the evaluators. I agree with you, the tryouts should be held outside, but only after having the ability to watch the boys play in games. I like your scale as well. This way we eliminate the U.S. and Russian judge scores. I have been to a few games of prospective players, I have seen a significant difference when a coach is hitting soft ground balls, and pitching softly to the boys, versus them playing against their peers. The biggest difference is in the pitching and hitting. This includes some of the higher rated boys. The head coach should have more than 2 picks. One of his picks should not have to be his son. There should never be a question that the head coach’s son is one of the top 3 players on the team. It puts the coach in a weak position from the start if the boy is not one of the top players. I’ve seen this happen at other clubs, it creates a very difficult situation. Lots of talking and second guessing from everyone. The assistant coach’s sons should be in the top 8 with know doubt of their ability. See you at the meeting on Tuesday.

    Hey Coach Tony have you been asked to attend?

    John

    • April 26, 2010 at 1:32 PM

      nope

  10. 16 Embarrassed Yorktown Resident
    April 26, 2010 at 1:23 PM

    I have another idea. What if you were to have coaches from other travel teams say 14U within YAC do the evaulations instead of these outside evaulators. It seems like these outside evaulators didn’t really serve our purpose well. These 14U coaches wouldn’t really know the kids well so there wouldn’t be any favorism. As far coaches son being in the top 3. What if you have a really well qualified coach but his son is not a top 3 player? Do you pass on this coach and pick a less qualified coach?

  11. April 26, 2010 at 1:34 PM

    great question…I think you get the best coach you can and his son will be on the team. Oversimplification perhaps but that’s what I’d do. I’d also insist that the coach attend a bunch of in-town games and make notes on the kids who stand out. You’d hope those kids would be at the tryout and it would be clear that they had made an impact on the coach well in advance of the tryout.

  12. 18 John
    April 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM

    Guys,

    I don’t mind having the coaches know the prospective players. They need to know them, on the ballfield. I just believe that is the most important part of the evaluation. Seeing them play. I think a combination of what you both suggested might be best. Have independent evaluators at a two day outdoor evaluation. I would even have the coaches of the in-house division get involved. They see the boys play and would hopefully give honest evaluations based on game performance. The coaches game evaluations/ratings should be taken equally into consideration.

    As for your question…tough one. How far down do you reach? If you do reach far down, past the top 8-12, then you hope that the coach can separate what’s best for the team, and what’s for his son when making decisions. Anyone that’s been around travel ball has seen it happen. Daddyball!! A 12U team my oldest son was involved with last year wreaked of it. It made for a very unpleasant experience. Lots of whispering and murmers in the background.

    Let’s see what happens Tuesday. At least we have a start. I’ve enjoyed reading both of your thoughts.

    John

  13. April 26, 2010 at 4:17 PM

    good luck guys and let me know what happens

  14. 20 Embarrassed Yorktown Resident
    April 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM

    The problem with these coaches seeing the prospective players and picking them is that it will always smell politics.

  15. 21 It's All About The Kids,Right?
    April 26, 2010 at 7:55 PM

    Coach, I’m not really surprised that you haven’t been invited. This is typical behavior of the baseball hierarchy, and the club as well. According to the travel commissioner’s email to the 10U parents, your expertise in this specific area, was going to be part of solving this mess.
    According to the head of YAC baseball, the 10U “hopeful” B coach’s son ranked 23rd. I’m confident that there were coaching applicants whose children ranked much higher. If the A team coaches son has to rank 8 or higher, where should the B team coach’s son rank? There were only guidelines set in place for A team coaches. So the baseball hierarchy dropped the ball, big time, regarding all B team coaches. No one mentioned that quite a few travel players work out at Extra Innings during the winter.Is it possible that some of the evaluators had all winter to evaluate a few of the potential players? The administration has taken all of the fun out of this. They lost sight that this is all about the kids. The children will ultimately suffer the consequences of a poorly run program, being run by adults, for adults.

  16. 22 It's all about the kids,right?
    May 19, 2010 at 10:10 AM

    Coach, an update to the disaster that is YAC 10U travel. As of 5/14, there has been no final decision made regarding the 10U A team. Interestingly enough, the “potential” A team head coach has already been involved in a shouting match ( in front of 24 players and parents) with another parent/coach at a YAC in house game. This same “potential” coach has been suspended numerous times and even thrown out of a neighboring town’s athletice club, for verbally abusing, coaches, umpires, and parents, in front of children. The YAC is well aware of this, yet they do nothing to protect our children. Politics is one thing, but allowing anyone to demean a child, of any age, is disgusting, especially when there is a ‘Zero tolerance’ of this type of behavior, posted on the clubs website.


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